On another note, saw all the comments about M/A Japanese-subtext, and as that's in a locked thread and slightly tangential, I think it's better to start a new post here.
First off - I want to point out that each of us already has a different take to the Megumi/Aoshi relationship. I do not think that we all paint the same nuances to each of them. Probably chisailammy and I have been closest on the psychological attraction issue so far in believing that something strange was afoot in the Kanryuu years. (Based on my reading of Hitomi's draft works, I think she's in this camp.)
I know other fans don't care much for that, as the concept of any feelings existing from the point of view of the captive Megumi and the man who helped Kanryuu hold her captive is repugnant. I've read the thoughts of a few persons who vehemently oppose such a pairing; however, while I respect their right to their opinion, I have to note that not enough is given regarding Megumi's or Aoshi's actual inner feelings to support or refute that argument.
There is enough blank space in this fandom to form an interpretation, or several. Obviously, I don't buy into the Megumi must hate Aoshi argument. (This implies a depth of shallowness to her character which I don't think the manga is supportive of. She is by far the most perceptive of women in the manga, and also meant to be comparable to Kenshin's overarching themes of redemption and forgiveness. It ignores also the jinchuu arc.) Most of us subject a framework (devised from our experiences and biases ) onto other peoples' work that leads us to these opinions, and must realize that without things to point at in the manga or Watsuki's notes, that it is --in the end-- an interpretation. I don't care how loudly some people voice their opinions. It doesn't make it right. It just makes it loud.
So moving on to the issue that has roused some curiousity in the last thread -- and that being is what propels the fans behind the japanese Meg/Aoshi website here: http://aomegu24jp.under.jp/
What follows is my interpretation. As the webmistress can not speak English well, we did not have a huge conversation on this. I've been looking at what I can decipher, and mostly the art is what strikes me as very different thematically from everything the English speaking fans stereotype about Megumi.
Basically, looking at the art elements at that website and then looking at the doujinshin, I saw a completely different rendition of the dynamics from the other extreme point taken by Western fans that play up the kitsune tendencies of Megumi and the more angry/volatile aspects, while ignoring her soft and quiet side.
The hand on wrist motif that appears in two-three drawings (at least), I'm fairly certain parallels the scene in the manga where it is not Hannya that stops Megumi from stabbing Kanryu, but Aoshi. It it also Aoshi who takes her away to the tower after Kanryuu beats her.
This action can be interpreted many ways, including -- ensuring that Kenshin has to eventually come and fight him (as to get to the tower, there is only really one way), but also removing Megumi from a situation where Kanryuu was harming her and where Megumi was about to waste her life.
It could be a mix of all motives as well. The tendency for fans to oversimply to one really frustrates me, as that is not an adult way of thinking whatsoever, particularly with the insertion of the tower scene that follows. If Aoshi was a horrible person, we would not have that benefit of that scene and the sense of strange and cold empowerment that occurs. Anyways, I leave interpretations to Hitomi. She's covered a lot of the things which have been percolating in conversations over the years.
I think the Japanese fans picked up on this early interaction and have played with it. Some more thorough poking reveals other artwork which also must be evaluated as part of the whole. There are some with blood, some with Megumi waiting for Aoshi (reclining or sitting), but absolutely none set in traditional clothing seem to suggest her as equal or dominant force.
The hand on wrist to me is again suggestive of "restraint" or "holding in check". The drawing that really fascinates me the most is the one set in winter, for reasons that there are two things going on -- one the hand on wrist, but also the other hand encircling either in protection or affection.
[[As an aside -- despite the tendency of fanwriters and artists from the Western world to write big mushy and obvious gestures of affection, Japanese culture and romance is always small and subtle in the public eye. I do not think looking at the usage of hands is taking things out of context. Some may say we're overreaching here, but I disagree. (I don't think anime is a good gauge of cultural mores either by any means as they're largely produced by men for men. The fanbase that I see at this website is female.) ]]
That art was done by a guest artist, but poking through past covers // art done by the webmistress, you see that appear again.
MiJ - as an artist, I'm curious what your thoughts are. Obviously we don't have the benefit of talking to each individual fanartist, but I wanted to see if you notice a trend at all.
March 25 2006, 12:24:12 UTC 6 years ago
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Count me in among those who think that there was something going on during the Kanryuu years. Stockholm Syndrome anyone? I kid. Or maybe not. Seriously though, I think that the two have enough in common to not be attracted to each other on some level, even under those circs. How they act in front of Kenshin et al and how they act with each other is always interesting to see.Anyway, re. the art: I'm afraid this is all weird BS and overblown theories on my part. Worse still, I could just be stating the obvious, so I apologize if this turns out to be a dull read.
Re. the hands: I have no idea whether or not the artist deliberately meant for some kind of symbolism with the hands. It could mean nothing, or it could mean a subconscious thing; a cultural or personal interpretation of the pairing that found its way into the piece whilst creating it. Wouldn't it hold the same for fic, as well? :)
My take on it is: hands in the A/Meg context= encouragement, affection, protection, guidance.
I notice that in some of the fanart (I assume by the maintainer?), their fingers barely touch. Knowing (just from the manga alone) that these two are very private people (and Japanese to boot), that's already pretty extreme for them. By showing each other affection, they are encouraging themselves and each other to be more open, to learn to share something of themselves with the other, bit by bit.
I would say that the wrist holding also connotes not just restraint as
I just thought of something: what if the wrist-holding means ownership? It sounds bad, I know, but that was my initial impression of the wrist-holding, to be honest. The way he holds her wrist seems gentle enough though, so I don't view this as a negative thing.
These themes find themselves in a great chunk of fanart I've seen thus far: even in the "huggy" Japanese fanart, Aoshi's usually holding Megumi from behind in a cocooning, protective, even possessive sort of embrace.
I don't know why most of the Japanese fanart is that way. Either people were inspired by the maintainer's work, or they too share the same interpretations, much the way a lot of A/Meg fic share the same themes (though of course presented differently).
I wonder sometimes how much of the artist one puts into their art (or writers in their writing), particularly in fic. I mean we've all got our personal biases/theories/fantasies kicking in when we create stuff.
Anyway, that's my two cents. Feel free to disagree/add to this, but please don't roast me over an open fire. ;p I'm not sure how well I've explained my view of it.
March 26 2006, 17:14:23 UTC 6 years ago
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Honestly, I did wonder about the d ynamic being presented there. It's not quite equal from how I see it. Perhaps balanced,as you said -- but there is a sense that Aoshi is slightly more 'something,' for the lack of a good word to describe it.And the possessive overtones are not bad in any way. IF one really knows men, I think one can say that men are territorial when it comes to their women ;).
In any case, I really enjoy looking at the Japanese fanart because it strikes me as differently constructed.
I wonder sometimes how much of the artist one puts into their art (or writers in their writing), particularly in fic. I mean we've all got our personal biases/theories/fantasies kicking in when we create stuff.
I think artists do put in something of themselves, whether consciously or not, in their pieces of work. But to pick a fan pairing that is slightly unusual, makes me wonder what it is that appealed to those persons about that pairing in the first place.
Woo woo. Thanks for your thoughts mij. I guess no one else is reading >=0 .
March 27 2006, 02:22:48 UTC 6 years ago
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Dahahaha! Yeah, I think I scared 'em away... >p Thanks for reading!